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Championship
Registered:: 10-05-2000
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I'm going to reiterate the theme of not letting them talk you into anything you don't want to do. I've heard stories where Pro/Am students were threatened with 'shunning' if they didn't buy the studio's package and yet went to the dance competition on their own just to spectate. Hold your ground, and seek out other opportunities -- no one needs to be in that kind of environment.

When I was at Fred Astaire I was clear in how much I was willing to spend at competitions. Invariably they'd start by giving me some package price which would include more entries and more nights and more money than I really wanted to spend. But, I'd tell them that I'd either do X and Y or that I simply wouldn't compete at all. They'd rather have some of my money than none of it, and it always worked out that I would get what I wanted. Not all franchises are evil, but there's enough bad stories going around that everyone should make themself an educated consumer.
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Originally posted by fedup:
Boston is a small city

Huh?
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I went back to the initial question and "new to dance" was smart for taking their concerns to this type of forum. The Internet has made it extremely easy to get information and not be taken in by overcharging –scam-artists.

The dance studio I go to in the Boston area only charges Pro-Am students $40.00 per dance at any and all competitions. No airfare, no hotels, and no food for teachers! Let me repeat, no airfare, no hotels, and no food for teachers! The owner wants to make it affordable for students to compete in as many competitions as possible. Because most of the students at my studio compete a lot, we also take tons of lessons in preparation for competitions. If we weren't doing competitions, the majority of us would only take one lesson a week. My studio has built a huge Pro-Am base as a result of this thinking. Now, one teacher can take as many as 20 students to a competition. It didn't start out this way but the pricing has been the same from the beginning. My studio is huge and it has only taken the owners about five years to build it up to its present level.

I don't know where your studio is located but wherever it is, find another! Your studio owners look like people who are taking a vacation in Florida at your expense. Ask any potential studio owners what their vision is for their studios. Do they intend to build their Pro-Am up? Do they go to major competitions now? If so, how many per year? Which ones? The reason you want to do this is because if the studio isn't planning to build up their Pro-Am, chances are they won't be successful and could go out of business eventually. Word gets around about places. Go to a studio that has potential for growth or is already there.

Laura has also given you good advice. And fedup has given you an example of things to stay away from. Hopefully with all this advice you have become more educated about what's out there.
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quote:
Originally posted by Joe:
quote:
Originally posted by fedup:
Boston is a small city

Huh?


Boston is small and provincial when it comes to dancing, especially ballroom.
Silver
Location: Manhattan
Registered:: 04-16-2002
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My two cents worth.
You have had some great advice. Isn't it wonderful that you can go on the Internet and find all this out as opposed to paying exorbitant franchise prices for years!
I will say that most of us pay more to compete than Mandy does, her prices are amazingly low. Also the more famous and accomplihsed the pro, the more you will pay, for good reason, especially if your pro is still competing. Makes sense, but you can be very successful with a pro who is not famous but teaches well, has good training and cares. My advice would be to do lots of small comps all year in your geographical area and have as your goal to do USDSC in September 2005. You don't want to go there until you are ready and it will be a wonderful reward for all your hard work. Have a great time dancing, there is nothing more satisfying, and enjoy the process of learning, that is really the best part anyway.
PreBronze
Location: Boston
Registered:: 07-22-2004
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I am not sure where "fedup" has received her information but as a member of the MIT Ballroom Dance Team Executive Committee, I would like to clarify a few things.

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The most recent event was a competition featuring Bryan and Carmen as guests. This owner bought up all the tickets from the captain of his own coaching team and marked them up 400%.


The MIT Ballroom Dance Team had offered two tiers of ticketing for the show with Bryan Watson and Carmen during the MIT 2004 Competition: general admission tickets ($5-$10), and so-called "VIP" or "Front Row" tickets which we were offering to the general public at the price of $50. Although the general admission tickets were available only through MITBDT, the more costly tickets were also offered to ANY studio for purchase at a minor discount as an incentive for them to be bought in bulk to help raise money to fund our competition. The coach in question had done just that, without marking up the price beyond what we would have sold them for in the first place.

Information regarding the VIP tickets and offers of bulk sales to studios had previously been available for public viewing online on our website at mitbdt.mit.edu.

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There is hardly a college venue that he does not impact negatively, usually involving money.


This comment seems to be at odds with our experience at MIT. All of our coaches are paid the same amount of money for one hour lessons. This particular coach routinely teaches for one and a half hours or sometimes even two without further reimbursement. His interest in MITBDT also does not seem to be financially motivated, as on many occasions, he had been completely unaware of missed payments by the team.

The involvement of this teacher on the collegiate scene includes coaching of the MIT Ballroom Dance Team and giving private lessons to some collegiate couples who volitionally choose to take lessons from him (and at a significant discount from his regular coaching fees). He is also invited to judge at some collegiate competitions. As is the case with every other judge, he does so for free or for a nominal stipend.

None of this supports the notion by "fedup" quoted above.

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He is unfortunately (especially since he was never a well-trained dancer himslef) the coach of a local university team.


This statement by "fedup" is subjective and once again is not consistent with the experiences of the MIT Ballroom Dance Team. MITBDT has secured this coach for several years and has been extremely pleased with him. At the end of every term, the team (composed of upwards of 60 dancers) polls its members on its coaches and this coach has received uniformly positive reviews. As a testament to his competency, the team has consistently placed couples in the finals (top 6) of collegiate comps (team results of finalsts are archived at http://mitbdt.mit.edu/DanceFloor/discuss.pl?id=143). This is not a small achievement, as most collegiate competitions host extremely large fields of dancers. Most single events at collegiate comps have a field of over 20 couples. In the case of Harvard Beginner's 2003, there were over 170.
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This particular coach routinely teaches for one and a half hours or sometimes even two without further reimbursement. His interest in MITBDT also does not seem to be financially motivated, as on many occasions, he had been completely unaware of missed payments by the team.



This once again illustrates the double standardthis particualar coach has. He does this w/the university team, yet he treats the people who take lessons at his studio that aren't on the MIT team comletely differently. He'd give MIT kids 1.5 hours of instruction yet he'd order his own teachers to obsoultely stick to the standard 45 min. He'd make sure he squeezed as much $ as possible out of nonstudents, yet...
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Just to clarify, in my last statement by "nonstudents" I meant nonMIT students.
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how come there aren't any videos posted form the mit competition
Championship
Registered:: 10-05-2000
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I've seen some, you just have to know where to look. Try contacting the organizers to find out where they are, since I can't post the URL here.
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