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Championship
Location: Boston
Registered:: 08-10-2002
Posts: 1765
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Laws? Don't need no stinking laws. "What QQS says goes" will be the only law in our household.
PreChampionship
Registered:: 10-01-2001
Posts: 873
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"Laws? Don't need no stinking laws. "What QQS says goes" will be the only law in our household."

Yah? Where have you been, Rip van Winkle? All they have been talking about here have been rules and laws. Remember, everybody, only non guilty casts a stone.
PreChampionship
Registered:: 10-01-2001
Posts: 873
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"You know--aren't Vermont's marriage laws a little more, um, flexible than the other states'?"

Flexible? by the time we reincarnate the concept of marriage is so outdated that a progressive state like VT will make it illegal.
PreChampionship
Registered:: 10-01-2001
Posts: 873
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"Vermont is nothing compared to Massachusetts"

Dancing in VT is nothing compared to anything. This is really a pathetic no man's land for dancers. The only thing the Green Mountain Boys are good at is sandbagging (absolutely no offence meant) the banks of Winooski River.
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Registered:: 11-23-2001
Posts: 282
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I believe in the case of Giampierro, he only has one student, and he will not take any other pro-am student. I also believe he is not the only pro to make that choice. I don't know the details, but it is logical that the student in each case would be charged more or less what a group of students would otherwise share amongst themselves.


Actually he competed with Mary Chang other than Lynn Jones last year at Ohio Star Ball and Mary won the Lady B title. As long as you can afford $5000, he will take you. Right now he only have Lynn is because Lynn is the only one can/willing for pay that price!
PreBronze
Location: USA
Registered:: 06-14-2004
Posts: 201
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$5000.00?!?!? Absolutely unbelievable.

In terms of women competitors and finding a partner for amateur competitions...I agree with the opinions expressed previously: If you are a 20 year old, attractive, slim woman, you have absolutely no problem whatsoever. The rest of us have to "pay for the pleasure." Or, if you happen to live in an area where male dancers are incredibly scarce, that's another problem. Again, you're in the position of "having to" dance with your teacher at competitions. I won't even bother to use the word "compete", because that would imply that both student and teacher are competing as sort of a team, and its become obvious to me from various posts that the majority of dancescapers do NOT view pro-am competitors in this light.
Championship
Registered:: 10-05-2000
Posts: 3146
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Originally posted by sambakid:
$5000.00?!?!? Absolutely unbelievable.


Hah, $5000 is nothing. Guess how much the gossip grapevine says Donnie Burns was paid to do Pro/Am at Embassy Ball?

I think Pro/Am is great for those of us who started later in life (33 for me) -- up to a point. That point is different for each dancer...but she should keep her eyes, mind and heart open to noticing that she's hit it. Don't go into big debt for Pro/Am, don't let people talk you into paying for things you don't want, and realize that the game as played on the highest levels is EXTREMELY expensive.
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Location: On The Road Again
Registered:: 07-02-2002
Posts: 642
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Oh my. Haven't seen this thread in a while. This is where I cast my "curse" on poor Chris, that he be reincarnated as a thirty- or forty-something partnerless woman.
Boy, I do miss Chris, and Warren, and so many others who always challenged us with their clever, clever minds.
Anyway, about the business of pro-ams, I think I finally figured out, without a doubt, why I do it. I've known for a while, but was never quite so sure.
I dance because it makes me happy. I compete because it gives me a challenge to exceed my existing ability. The psychological benefits are in line with what I am willing to spend. As long as I am clear on that (to myself), I'm fine.
This summer my teacher departed suddenly back to San Diego (for a wonderful arrangement and partnership, but it's not my business to announce it until they do). It was so sudden and I was so heartbroken. I knew I had to continue and make new arrangements, but I also needed time to "grieve" for a teacher that I liked so much.
Anyway, so yesterday I had my first lesson with a new teacher. Of course he's an excellent teacher (they all are, aren't they? Bless 'em). And he's sweet, and everything. But at last I realized, without a shadow of a doubt, that I do not dance for the pleasure of keeping company with an attractive man. (That's always a plus, for sure Smiler - but it's very, very low on the list of perks that come from dancing). There is such a good feeling in being taught to exercise a certain control over my body, and my physical movement, and then using that control to "live" the music. There's nothing like it.
This remark, naturally, is in a whole different universe from the idea of competing with a "famous" name. I know that there is a certain cache in appearing on the floor with such a person, especially if he/she is not available to others. And there is a virtual competition going on in acquiring such partners, which has nothing to do with actual dancing. To each his/her own. I'll tell you this much: Andre Gavriline was way up on my list of possible teachers, because I knew he did quite a bit of pro-am (so I would not need to cough up five grand for the privilege), and most important, I have watched him a lot with his students, and was impressed with how genuinely he relates to them on the floor. He never looked like a man who was just standing there suffering in silence, even when dancing with the relative beginners in lower-level syllabus events.
Then he won the national title. Darn. I was happy for that. But I immediately scratched his name off the list. I am NOT in the market for dancing with the current national champ. But that's just me. Don't have the gumption or the funds to play the game at that level. My loss, I'm sure, in never having a chance to dance with such a sweet person.
Anyway, this is a long, rambling post "from the other side". There is a lot more to pro-am than just shelling out easy money. For one thing, I work damn hard for mine, but will spend it gladly on something that gives me such pleasure.
PreBronze
Location: USA
Registered:: 06-14-2004
Posts: 201
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Jools....So much of what you wrote touches the core of why I dance as well. The money just becomes a problem...And if you're not careful, so quickly, too!! I just started taking lessons again after almost 2 years away, and almost immediately, it's like I have money for NOTHING else! Its crazy! And considering what most of the studios charge, I'm getting a deal. Most independent studios charge $90.00 - 95.00 per private lesson. For it to get to what I'm paying - $80.00 - you have to commit to at least 20 lessons...so that's 1600...if you're lucky they let you pay in installments. I feel like such a baby. I KNOW others out there pay so much more. Its just sometimes it can really stress you and your budget.

sambakid
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